Monday, July 21 2008, 12:00 AM
Bottomless CL Day!
Sick deals back to back all day long.
izza kidding. Sometimes just bringing a camera is a sacrifice cuz so often one says "what a great shot this would be!"- that would be me.
I often carry a panasonic 7 mp compact, with the Leica lens, true 2.8 lens. It's fantastic.
What do you carry you slr in, Mr T?
I feel like taking mine, but I have visions of falling, getting run over by a car, and having my camera busted (I know, I'm pretty sure my camera's the least of my worries then... but...)
So I got a dakine camera block, but that thing's huge.
Just got a little point & shoot to take with me.
...we're all conveying a formula that is of second nature. My concern is whose pack I can sneak my extra egg sandwich into.
With discs, the spokes are long so I can cut and double bend for guests who have rim brakes; a good touring extra to have also (especially for rear freehub side). They are super comps, so I don't even bother to pull them out.
It's when you have a SLR camera, watercolor set, small notebook for inspired poetry, that one has to make choices.
I was also a ski tech- long ago!
and, and, I wear sleeveless lots, many diff materials. I'm a merino guy most of the year anyway.
Clip! comin' up.
Hijo, it's only Monday, it can't be a bad week yet.
It can be a shitty 2 days.
I'm not arguing. I just don't see how I'm supposed to find a camelbak too heavy for me. And I find it really odd when big strong 6 foot plus guys go on about ultra light stuff - really... you're that big and strong and whether or not your sleeping bag weighs an extra lb matters???
That's not necessarily aimed at you, 'cause while I do remember you posting your height at some point, I can't remember how tall you are.
My bike probably weighs 5-10 lbs more than yours does. So... I don't quibble over whether or not a bandaid is too heavy for me.
I don't like water bottles on my bike. Never have.
You know what? I don't want to argue. I approve 100% with all the things you mentioned. I don't remember saying anything in that last post to contradict that.
What I do remember is cscho's question, "do you tend to cause consternation in others when you speaK?" Or words to that effect, I'm paraphrasing. Point is, I don't know why I lied, Cat. OMFG. Yes. Yes I do. I don't know what's wrong with me. I just want to be your friend. I've had a bad week, I need someone to talk to. What I mean is, look...
I'll be happy to debate with you the relative merits of a lightweight approach... Where should we start, or have you disappeared again, please don't leave me alone ...uhh. Sorry.
I normally ride alone. Now, if I'm 20 miles from home and break down, that means most of my friends and family are going to be about 40-100 miles away. Now, I can bug some co-workers, but the whole "Hey, I don't hang out with you, but I need help, so why don't you drop everything and drive way out here to come get me..." idea is awkward - I'd be more likely to walk my bike the 20 miles back.
So I carry enough that I can do most common field repairs myself. Btw, I got a new set of tire levers to replace my old really fat and clumsy pair and my old really thin and flimsy pair, and now changing an innertube takes me like 3 mins without the hair tearing frustration. So I can get my wheel "true" enough to ride back, replace my tire, tighten or whatever needs to be done - however, I definitely don't carry spare spokes. And I don't have a welder in case my frame breaks.
I carry like 4 bandaids. They help if I get a blister. I've got a couple sheets of tegaderm, tape, neosporin, some gauze, a pair of tweezers, and some tape. A small bag of ibuprofen. I carry 2 innertubes, my tire levers, a bike tool that does everything pretty shittily, a very small headlamp, a couple cliff bars, a couple of bags of cliff shots. Extra lenses for my sunglasses. A light weight windshell (arc squamish, love that thing to death) A little handpump. A very small bright headlamp (the one that they're going to be passing around on forums.goingprepared.com), a blinkie light is usually on the back of my camelbak, which is not actually a camelbak but something I bought from REI a long time ago. ONe of those mesh reflector stripe vests. I usually ride in the evenings after work, because it's cooler for one, and 'cause I work. So it's often dusk or getting dark by the time I get back.
I've never had to end a ride because my bag was too heavy. If I went on a group ride, yeah, I could probably take some of that stuff out - but it's just as easy to leave it in, so I do.
I've never quite figured out the whole ultra light thing - I'm a reasonably healthy, decently strong person. I could technically spend a lot of money getting my pack for backpacking or wahtever to be sub 10 lbs or whatever the ultralight backpacking standard - but I can also spend less than that and carry 20 lbs of stuff on my back without any issues. Now, if I was carrying upwards of 50 lbs on my back, that would suck. But 20 lbs doesn't suck.
+1 short sleeves for summer :)
Mr.T, Kat: Good points, of course. Don't get me wrong. I would never advocate that anyone should be anything less than self sufficient. Everyone needs to take responsibility for themselves. On group rides it may make sense to distribute the load in order to avoid redundancy in much the same way as it does it does when backpacking with a partner or in a group.
That said I'm never the guy who has to borrow a spare tube or a pump. That's a sure hallmark of inexperience. I'm the guy who bites his tongue even though I know you're never going to have the consideration to reimburse me for the tube I'm lending you.
And I never said I could get away with a < 100 cu.in. volume camelback for a 6 hr epic. I meant the lightest camelback possible to adequately meet the demands of any particular undertaking.
What I'm saying is that
1. Every ounce adds up. Pounds are made of ounces, and no matter what you might think or even perceive, every pound makes a difference in terms of your performance. That's just Physics. It takes more force to move more mass.
2. You should strive to trim away ounces wherever you can. This may require greater ingenuity, or knowledge. In general, you will need to take more know-how and where-with-all for each piece of gear you are able to leave behind. That's a founding principal of a lightweight ethic. Going lightweight should absolutely never mean being irresponsible or unsafe.
I'm fairly confident that for me, I'll be able to solve my own first aid issues with duct tape, superglue and Ibuprofen. I know this from experience. I've done plenty of bleeding in inconvenient circumstances, and I am quite familiar with just exactly how useless band-aids can be in trying conditions. I'll take duct tape if it's gonna be wet or I'm gonna be sweating. Plus, unlike duct tape there isn't much of anything else a band-aid can do. I'm a licensed ski mechanic *sticks out chest proudly* I know how to bleed. If I need a tourniquet I'm just gonna have to sacrifice my jersey. I understand this. If I suffered allergic reactions to bee-stings or was otherwise prone to anaphylaxis, I'd choose to carry epinephrine and an antihistamine, etc.
3. Stuff that you don't know how to use properly is deadweight in the first place. If you don't know how to fix your chain, you might as well replace that little chain- tool with an equivalently hefty stone, it'll do you exactly the same ammount of good. If you don't know how to rebuild your wheel, the spare spokes are more or less moot. Not you, T: If you take spare spokes I'm sure you know how to use them :)
That's the point, though: knowing what you may need to safely return from your adventure. There are alot of things that can go wrong with a mountain bike that could render it unrideable or potentially leave you stranded. It's good to know which things specifically you are capable of resolving on the trail. You need to know exactly which screws and bolts you're not going to get very far without, and which ones you'll be able to ride out without.
Many issues can be addressed sufficiently to allow you to ride back out without necessarily requiring you to lug the whole toolbox with you. There are many things you or somebody with you should know about jury-rigging a rear derrailleur, truing a wheel in the field, improvising your way around a brake failure, and so on. Most times when something really bad happens, there's only so much you're going to be able to do without your toolbox anyway, no matter how good a mechanic you are.
I don't continuously add to my camel back or anything. I don't notice the weight when I'm riding, and I like having the stuff there. Don't get me wrong - I don't have fire starters or flares or anything in my back pack, but some gauze, some tape, neosporin and a few bandaids isn't going to break my bike.
Given that I'm definitely carrying more than an extra 5-10 lbs of weight on me, an extra 5-10lbs (no idea how much it weighs) on my back isn't slowing me down or impairing my ability to ride distances. The limiting factors on my rides are usually my wrists, my knee, and time.
As for sleeveless jerseys - the first time I wore one that I bought off here, I promptly lost some skin skidding on the road. For a few rides, I wore long sleeve shirts after that, but it's like 90+ degrees here, so I'm back to risking my skin with short sleeve shirts.
"It's all-too easy to rationalize, "well I might need this, and I might use that." It's a slippery slope, IMO and you've just got to draw the line somewhere."
- on long rides, many miles from any service, it is better to have too much. But even in this case it might mean a sandwich, spokes, and more spare parts, and some good first aid, etc...
The extra weight (except the sammy and water management) is little, but on those "epic" rides you really are impressed to cover your own arse, even consideration of the group. Shorter rides- you can get away with doing the borrowing bit if need. I have two identical packs, with the short ride with just minimal stuff. The "long ride" with bit more, but really not much extra weight; choice of midday eats is up to me.
I certainly drink more often with a hose. And yes, a small water bottle of soy protein whatever drink (the formula always changes, but it often includes some Coke)for the 6+ hour rides.
Yes, short MTB rides with the need for a tube/levers/Co2 and one bottle is liberating.
As for the road, seat bag and pockets 90% of the time.
I could list what the basics are, but I'll leave it here for now.
If it still remains in stock. That would mean that BC has calculated incorrectly. They're speculating on their own commodities futures.
If they're wrong, you might get it at deep discount. It's important to understand that The Retailer is not trying to make less profit. That wouldn't make terribly good sense from their perspective, would it? Quite the contrary. If things go The Retailer's way, you'll pay msrp, of course.
Bear in mind that The Retailer has considerable insider information so-to-speak when it comes to their own commodities futures. They probably have a much clearer idea about those futures than we do.
The Retailer is going to play the cards they're holding, and they're going to play them to win.
So it really comes down to you playing the role of educated consumer to the best of your ability and striking the best deal in your own interest that you can. Buy at price x now, or wait to see whether x goes up or down before x sells through.
Are you willing to speculate that market forces will favor you, The Consumer over The Retailer in the near or the long term? What's the item worth to you, anyway, and how much are you risking?
BC would likely not offer remaining stock at deep discount prices (CL) if they calculate they may yet sell that stock or some portion thereof at their current on-line prices (BC/BCO) or perhaps at some intermediate sales price at BC/BCO.
In other words, they aren't gonna give 'em all away at 50% off msrp if they feel they can sell 30% of their inventory at 20% off msrp during their next online sale, and another 20% of their inventory at msrp. They may be speculating that they're holding 50% more inventory than they can move at conventional prices, so they cut their potential losses by dumping half their inventory through CL. See?
The thing to bear in mind, and I've said this over and over again, is that eventually everything has to go to make room for the next big thing. This is a highly cyclical industry. If it still remains in stock when the new version comes rolling in, or at some point thereafter... at some point... it's gotta go!
That's when deep discounts happen- when circumstance forces retailers to cut their losses, when the forces of Supply And Demand dictate that the retailer take what they can get. So we bide our time. We wait...
Because beggars can't be choosers.
My 2 cents:
I agree with Nicole. I'm not on board with Hydration pakcs for road cycling. Obviously, hydration packs in general are a wonderful idea and I'm a proponent in general- just not so much where cycling is concerned. It's the ergonomics of the riding position. I definitely don't like any extra weight on my body when cycling.
Mountain biking, I wear a minimal hydration pack. I find water bottles are inconvenient for mountain biking- a nuisance, really. Sometimes on long rides I bring a water bottle full of something more replenishing than water, like accelerade or whatever. I've learned that my preference in hydration packs is the lighter/ more minimal the better. I've had lots and lots and lots of hydration packs. The one I'm eyeing next for mountain biking is the Wingnut Gear Splitback. It's here, if you're interested:
The hydration pack usually carries a minipump, an extra layer (like a windshirt or a vest), a helmet liner/ skull cap in cooler temps, snacks, First aid (vitamin I, duct tape, superglue), cash/ CC, car keys and anything else I might need.
Multi-tool, spare tubes (sometimes just one- I run UST), and anything else that will fit in a small seat-bag go there. I want as little weight on my back as possible. I experience less strain and discomfort that way.
Road biking, I prefer water bottles, and nothing on my back other than what I can carry in my jersey pockets: an extra layer or arm warmers, mini-pump, nourishment. Anything and everything that will fit in the small under-seat bag go there- especially heavier stuff like tools, and of course spare tubes/ patch kit.
I find that much longer rides sometimes require a hydration pack, logistically. I agree with Cat on being prepared, but I've found that I need to make an extra effort to eliminate extraneous stuff and minutia. It's all-too easy to rationalize, "well I might need this, and I might use that." It's a slippery slope, IMO and you've just got to draw the line somewhere. At least I do. Whittle it down- you'll never be prepared for every eventuality anyway, and if you are you're just lugging around way too much junk. The constant here is that less weight = more fun.
As far as jersey pockets go I like the design on my Exte Ondo jerseys. They have two pockets, but they're only divided from the top part-way down. In other words, the bottom half of the pocket is one large undivided space- more room for larger or bulkier items (like a shell or thermal top/ tights, pump, etc.) without spilling out over the top.
Help me here. The BC.com website claims that they have 29 Zipp cranksets in stock. According to chainattack, the Chainlove stock is sold out. What are the odds that the remaining BC.com inventory will be sold off on Chainlove in the future? Thanks! :-)
Damn!!! I needed to pick up some cheap lights and I missed it!
Go to Backcountry.com and have a chat with one of the gearheads.
so tubeless ready means you can run it on standard rims with a tube, or on a tubeless setup, if you wish?
Granted I am pretty sure summer just started, and the cross bike still has a couple more months of commuting service.
Has anyone run a set of these tubeless? I run my moutain bikes tubeless (and love it), but always thought it wss necessary to run tubulars to run optimal tire pressure for cross.
how style can reign heavily over function when it comes to bike clothing; women vs men? This could fill a couple of threads.
Besides 'The New Look', and techy advancements, why do women have more sleeveless jerseys to choose from? The bike shorts are shorter, and W's bike wear in general is "skimpier". I know this is answering itself, but why should women risk more skin for a "meow" effect?
This is to add with Nicole's question of 2 pockets compared to the standard 3? Yes, this is in general -exceptions noted- but open any bike catalog and compare. Do we ride on different planets? (got the Mars and Venus retort.)
I know you men don't mind but dirt is dirt, and pavement is pavement. I worry for the lasses.
(I definitely second the 1/4 zip question, for years.)
..and for reading all this, enjoy Sam Hill's DH run at the '08 championships in Italy. Amazing.